Legislature(2021 - 2022)DAVIS 106

05/06/2021 06:30 PM House EDUCATION

Note: the audio and video recordings are distinct records and are obtained from different sources. As such there may be key differences between the two. The audio recordings are captured by our records offices as the official record of the meeting and will have more accurate timestamps. Use the icons to switch between them.

Download Mp3. <- Right click and save file as

Audio Topic
06:31:49 PM Start
06:32:49 PM HB164
07:34:05 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
-- Please Note Time Change --
+= HB 164 EARLY ED PROGRAMS; READING; VIRTUAL ED TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
         HB 164-EARLY ED PROGRAMS; READING; VIRTUAL ED                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:32:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STORY  announced that the  only order of  business would                                                               
be  HOUSE BILL  NO.  164,  "An Act  relating  to early  education                                                               
programs  provided by  school districts;  relating to  school age                                                               
eligibility; relating  to early education  programs; establishing                                                               
a  parents as  teachers program;  relating to  the duties  of the                                                               
Department  of  Education  and  Early  Development;  relating  to                                                               
certification  of teachers;  establishing a  reading intervention                                                               
program   for  public   school   students   enrolled  in   grades                                                               
kindergarten  through three;  establishing a  reading program  in                                                               
the Department of Education and  Early Development; relating to a                                                               
virtual  education consortium;  and  providing  for an  effective                                                               
date."   [Before  the committee,  adopted as  a working  document                                                               
during the  4/23/21 House  Education Standing  Committee meeting,                                                               
was the  proposed committee substitute  (CS) for HB  164, Version                                                               
32-LS0731\I, Klein, 4/20/21, ("Version I").]                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:33:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STORY opened public testimony on HB 164, Version I.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:34:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RONDA  SCHLUMBOHM testified  on HB  164.   She read  her prepared                                                               
testimony  [hard copy  included in  the committee  packet], which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     I have  been teaching beginning readers  and writers in                                                                    
     grades k-3  for thirty  plus years.  I hold  a master's                                                                    
     degree in reading, and I  have participated in in-depth                                                                    
     professional  development  by  attending  and  teaching                                                                    
     Alaska's Writing  Consortium. This training  has helped                                                                    
     me  understand   the  nuances  of  learning   that  all                                                                    
     children  have. I  have never  taught two  children the                                                                    
     same  way   because  all   children  vary   in  skills,                                                                    
     motivation, and interest. I applaud  the desire of this                                                                    
     group  to help  Alaska's  children,  however I  believe                                                                    
     there is much  more work to do in this  bill to make it                                                                    
     the best it can be.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Please consider the following points as you work.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        • The federal government is talking about funding                                                                       
          universal pre-k. Alaska could benefit from this                                                                       
          federal legislation and cut this fiscal part out                                                                      
          of the bill.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        • There continues to be no mention of writing in HB
          164.  Writing is  powerful to  beginning learners.                                                                    
          When  children  write,  they  are  applying  their                                                                    
          knowledge    of    phonics,   syntax,    language,                                                                    
          vocabulary,  fluency,  and comprehension.  When  a                                                                    
          child  creates  a  piece  of  writing,  he/she  is                                                                    
          working at  the top  of Bloom's  Taxonomy. Writing                                                                    
          instructs the  teacher about what the  child needs                                                                    
          next. Writing  can slow  down the  reading process                                                                    
          to help  a child make  sense of how words  are put                                                                    
          together and  which kinds of  words do  not follow                                                                    
          the phonics  rules. Initially we call  these words                                                                    
          "sight words"  because kids must memorize  them by                                                                    
          sight,  but  all  words  eventually  become  sight                                                                    
          words with practice.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          Writing  also uses  the brain  in more  areas than                                                                    
          reading, thus helping a  child strengthen it. When                                                                    
          a child  writes, they are perfectly  in their zone                                                                    
          of  proximal   development.  If  writing   is  not                                                                    
          included  in  this  bill,  my  fear  is  that  the                                                                    
          message it  sends is that  it is not  as important                                                                    
          as reading.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        • A third part of the bill I would like to address                                                                      
          is a point  of confusion. On page 30,  line one it                                                                    
          says, "the student  will participate in additional                                                                    
          20  hours of  individual reading  improvement plan                                                                    
          intervention  services  during the  summer  before                                                                    
          the  student  enters  grade  four."  Firstly,  the                                                                    
          retention part  of the  bill is  very problematic.                                                                    
          Secondly  where did  the 20  hours  come from?  Is                                                                    
          there some  research to back  up the 20  hours? In                                                                    
          my experience,  if a child is  struggling to learn                                                                    
          to  read, 20  hours is  a  drop in  the bucket  to                                                                    
          being proficient,  that is unless the  child is on                                                                    
          the  cusp of  being  proficient. Malcolm  Gladwell                                                                    
          says  you need  10,000 hours  to be  an expert  at                                                                    
          something. Which incidentally,  I've done the math                                                                    
          and that equates to over  8 years. So new teachers                                                                    
          need to  practice years until they  become experts                                                                    
          in their fields.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Thank  you  for allowing  educators  to  speak to  this                                                                    
     bill.  I will  send  this letter  as written  testimony                                                                    
     along  with the  attachment of  Peter Johnston's  white                                                                    
     paper,   An  Examination   of  Dyslexia   Research  and                                                                    
        Instruction, With Policy Implications, for your                                                                         
     review.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:37:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CRONK thanked Ms. Schlumbohm.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:38:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 6:39 p.m. to 6:43 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:43:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
POSIE BOGGS,  Alaska Reading Coalition,  testified in  support of                                                               
HB  164.   She  expressed  approval  of including  evidence-based                                                               
reading instruction, as well as of  its definition in the test of                                                               
the proposed legislation.   She shared that she was  happy to see                                                               
the  reading intervention  service plan,  and she  cautioned that                                                               
selecting  the  10  lowest-performing schools  may  show  lagging                                                               
performance due  to other factors.   Might be better for  data if                                                               
mid-level  performance schools  are also  selected, to  show that                                                               
the program  could work across  many levels of performance.   She                                                               
discussed rank and review of  the language arts curricula, saying                                                               
that there  often isn't evidence  of improvement  when publishers                                                               
are conducting research on their  own product.  With reference to                                                               
the cultural sensitivity aspect  of the proposed legislation, she                                                               
discussed supporting teachers in  both English phonemic awareness                                                               
and an immersion language.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:51:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 6:51 p.m. to 6:58 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:58:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REBECCA  CRELLEY expressed  the  viewpoint  that legislators  are                                                               
taking money from  the Alaska permanent fund and  putting it into                                                               
other areas,  and that there  is no  point to putting  money into                                                               
education because the quality is poor.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:00:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  STORY  reminded  Ms.  Crelley  that  the  committee  is                                                               
hearing testimony on HB 164.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CRELLEY said she wasn't talking about HB 164.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:01:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 7:01 p.m. to 7:11 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:11:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LESA MEATH read her prepared testimony [hard copy included in                                                                   
the committee packet], which read as follows [original                                                                          
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Thank  you for  your  consideration  of this  important                                                                    
     initiative. One which has  potential to make tremendous                                                                    
     impact  if implemented  effectively and  in partnership                                                                    
     with stakeholders  including families,  communities and                                                                    
     educators. I want  to particularly express appreciation                                                                    
     for scheduling  time outside of the  workday for giving                                                                    
     input.  Providing  voluntary   PreK  opportunities  for                                                                    
     Alaska's  students  is a  solid  investment,  and I  am                                                                    
     strongly  in favor  of this  portion of  the bill.  The                                                                    
     data is  clear and  there has been  excellent testimony                                                                    
     regarding  the positive  long-term  effects of  quality                                                                    
     early childhood programs in previous hearings.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     As a  30-year educator, I  hold both a  Master's degree                                                                    
     and   [National  Board]   NB  certification   in  early                                                                    
     childhood  education.  My  career includes  working  in                                                                    
     rural schools and  those on the road system  and I have                                                                    
     seen  firsthand the  disparity  in materials,  staffing                                                                    
     and  professional  learning   opportunities  which  are                                                                    
     available in different parts of  our state. Some of the                                                                    
     goals of HB  164 can make a real  difference in reading                                                                    
     achievement.  We also  need to  be mindful  that in  an                                                                    
     enthusiasm  to measure  and quantify  learning in  only                                                                    
     standardized ways that we do  not expand the disconnect                                                                    
     between   Indigenous   ways    of   knowing   and   the                                                                    
     compartmentalized manner of some westernized programs.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Concerns I  have are  related to  the prescriptiveness,                                                                    
     and  the reporting  requirements in  the bill.  Many of                                                                    
     the mentions  in Article 15  are already  taking places                                                                    
     in  Alaska's  schools. In  others,  they  may have  the                                                                    
     components in their  plans, but simply do  not have the                                                                    
     staffing  to implement.  How are  the paraprofessionals                                                                    
     and  teachers  going  to manage  writing  the  reports,                                                                    
     running parent workshops  and after school intervention                                                                    
     opportunities,  not  to  mention the  summer  learning?                                                                    
     Some  of our  schools have  very few  staff members  or                                                                    
     have  positions  unfilled.   Even  in  large  districts                                                                    
     acquiring    personnel    for   interventionists    and                                                                    
     substitutes is challenging.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  reading services  in Sec.  14.30.765 include  many                                                                    
     components of  an effective early reading  program, but                                                                    
     the  challenge is  "? to  the extent  practicable." (p.                                                                    
     26,  Line  11)   This  is  where  input   needs  to  be                                                                    
     explicitly  sought  from  our CSI  and  TSI  identified                                                                    
     schools and  other sites in remote  villages. What will                                                                    
     make  a difference  for their  staff and  students? How                                                                    
     will it  be ensured that  supports are value  added and                                                                    
     not  punitive? There  is mention  of "error  correction                                                                    
     and feedback," (p.  26, line 22) which seems  a bit out                                                                    
     of place  and overly specfic [sic].  Feedback does have                                                                    
     a crucial  role in learners' awareness  of their errors                                                                    
     and  performance.  However,  immediate  correction  can                                                                    
     sometimes be harmful  if it disrupts a  child's time to                                                                    
     think  on  his/her  error  and  maintain  the  flow  of                                                                    
     communication.  Depending on  the  setting, the  lesson                                                                    
     goal, and  the individual child, and  relationship with                                                                    
     the assessor/interventionist  sometimes feedback should                                                                    
     be given afterward.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     There  are  complex  reasons that  some  children  have                                                                    
     reading problems  and all are  not going to  respond to                                                                    
     the same  interventions in  the same  way. This  is why                                                                    
     school  staff  meet   as  PLCs  (Professional  Learning                                                                    
     Communities)  to  examine  data with  colleagues,  plan                                                                    
     instruction,  meet  with  families,  and  have  special                                                                    
     educators as a resource.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     I applaud  the addition of and  attention to Culturally                                                                    
     Responsive   education,   Developmentally   Appropriate                                                                    
     practice and  the inclusion of oral  language. Literacy                                                                    
     is   comprehensive  and   includes  reading,   writing,                                                                    
     speaking  & listening.  I do  however  want to  caution                                                                    
     about   appropriate   assessments,  particularly   with                                                                    
     second language  learners. There  needs to  be expanded                                                                    
     definitions to have  common understanding of Culturally                                                                    
     Responsive  and not  just a  box  to check  off. Is  it                                                                    
     culturally  responsive  to  focus  on  screeners  using                                                                    
     timed   oral   reading   fluency?  Is   it   culturally                                                                    
     responsive  to  require  interventions outside  of  the                                                                    
     school day preventing students  from engaging in family                                                                    
     time, subsistence activities and place-based learning?                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Lastly,  a great  reading  teacher evaluates  students,                                                                    
     engages in  ongoing formative assessment and  uses data                                                                    
     to  differentiate  instruction for  individuals,  small                                                                    
     groups  and the  whole  class.  We build  relationships                                                                    
     with  each student  and  inform  ourselves about  their                                                                    
     interests,  and topics  they  find  engaging. We  build                                                                    
     libraries to  provide them with exciting  titles across                                                                    
     genre  and  read  with  them     noting  strategy  use,                                                                    
     building on  their strengths  and addressing  areas for                                                                    
     growth. The  tools in the  toolbox of  reading teachers                                                                    
     are  many  and  should be  continually  expanding  with                                                                    
     strong  professional development  and the  availability                                                                    
     of new  research. There is  no "one size fits  all" set                                                                    
     of materials or  methods, but we do know  that a strong                                                                    
     literacy foundation  is learner centered    not program                                                                    
     centered.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:16:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND thanked Ms. Meath for taking the time to                                                                      
provide feedback to the committee.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEATH shared that she is grateful for the privilege to teach                                                                
in Alaska.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:17:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 7:17 p.m. to 7:19 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:19:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STORY provided the schedule for public testimony and                                                                   
committee hearings on HB 164.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[The committee took an at-ease from 7:21 p.m. to 7:31 p.m.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:31:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STORY, after ascertaining that no one else wished to                                                                   
testify, closed public testimony on HB 164.  She then announced                                                                 
that HB 164 was held over.                                                                                                      

Document Name Date/Time Subjects